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Benjamin Higginbotham: Benjamin Higginbotham and Jeremy Elfering from technologyevangelist.com. Welcome to Freestyle Friday, we can talk about anything we want.

Jeremy Elfering: Anything.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Anything, there is no set topic, it does not need to be technology based. Although being that we are hardcore tech geeks, it is probably going to be tech side.

Jeremy Elfering: It's probably going to be technology based.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, because that’s what what we do. A couple of things, so everyone knows upfront, we normally do these live TalkShoe podcasts at 12:00 noon Central daylight time. We are going to be changing that to 11 o’clock, 11:00am Central daylight time, that’s 9:00am Pacific, 12:00pm Eastern, basically then we can have lunch.

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah, lunch is good. We most of us don’t eat breakfast, so lunch is very important.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, big lunch guys. So, starting next week make sure to join us at 11:00am Central daylight time on the TalkShoe website and we will of course post that information in the show notes for today’s show. The nice thing about today’s show on the TalkShoe network is that we rather than using Skype out of Skype, basically in to the TalkShoe network, we are using an X-Lite SIP client, which is really nice. The audio quality should be substantially better than what we were dealing with with Skype and Skype just doesn’t work so well, when we are trying to do this stuff.

Jeremy Elfering: Not, quite.

Benjamin Higginbotham: And we got this information from Wally from TalkShoe. So, I am going to go ahead and mute you and there you are, wow you are in a loud room.

Wally: Well, I got to staying on my computer that’s really [inaudible].

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah, it does say the least.

Wally: To say the least, yeah.

Benjamin Higginbotham: So, Wally tell us a little bit about the process we are going through today, because we basically follow the information on your website, which was incredibly accurate and easy to do, that was a great resource. So, thank you very much for that.

Wally: It is for those who are in the chat and but for everybody else who are searching, you can see the tutorial http://tinyurl.com/you4px. One little thing that I probably should have put in there if you want to make sure this you have the automatic mic control, it will set what you can find out under options and devices you are going to make sure that your audio gain control is unchecked, as what happens is, when you are not talking you will try to find any sound in the background and that’s what usually ends up happening.

Jeremy Elfering:That doesn’t sound good.

Wally: No, it doesn’t. that’s…when you guys start talking, it might be in automatically drop down then there is gain, but you will find that under the options which to get to the options is the when you are looking at the X-Lite interface that’s going to be little down arrow at the very top and then let say it is, it was a sudden, persuading on that menu says options, click menu and just click device and make sure that those are unchecked as otherwise you will get a little bit of more problem.

Benjamin Higginbotham: So, let’s back up and tell everyone why they would want to use X-Lite as suppose to say Skype?

Wally: OK, first half … the one thing that you have in Skype, it is a form of voice over IP service, but what happens is that you aren’t, this is you get a slight phoning effect, because you are changing from a digital signal after it leaves your computer then it goes to an audio signal and then with what is TalkShoe it covert it back to a digital signal, so you have got that lost and one of the problems that is noted is that trying to dial-in can sometimes be a raw pain in the neck.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah the touch tones on skype don’t work very well.

Wally: No and if it is where if you go directly and it is you don’t have that problem.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yup. So, one of the other nice things is basically summon up what you are saying first half is that, you have got your digital connection on your computer and when you use skype it goes from digital then analog departs and then parts back to digital, so we are doing this conversion for no good reason, what so ever and that’s part of the reason why we like this SIP client . It also was trying to get into a show which sometimes takes us five minuets because of that touch tone problem and it was just pain in the butt.

Wally: Oh, yes it is big pain in the butt and this is there are other SIP clients out there and this is manufacturing and to find few who mentioned, now one thing I will admit actually, that’s part of the reason why I did the website, because it is easier for people to use.

Benjamin Higginbotham: And it is a beautiful thing about this site and we will make sure to put this in the show notes as well or if you are listening to the enhanced podcast, we will put a link directly in enhance podcast. A beautiful thing about this site is it tells you not only how to do it, but how to do with completely free tools. So, rather than having a by skype out to get into a conference you can do it completely and totally free.

Wally: Exactly, it is mainly just knowing where to go and how to set it up. This is the, that’s the whole beauty of it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Absolutely, hey any final comments Wally, on the X-Lite client or even connecting via SIP?

Wally: Well, it is that I found it, now one thing is when you come into TalkShoe do not open up the video drawer which is up the drawer on the left side. As soon as you do that I give you one word of caution, you got about 15 seconds and these X-Lite client sees the video and it doesn’t deal with that and it just says “bye”.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Did not know that?

Wally: That’s there, that open up video draw on the left otherwise that you will regret it. As a matter of fact it took a while, but somebody figured it up that’s what actually was going on.

Benjamin Higginbotham: That would actually be an interesting and cool addition to TalkShoe is video, if you could open up that drawer and have your video stream from the studio straight in the TalkShoe client that would be pretty cool. It take a lot of bandwidth, though. I mean audio takes a lot less bandwidth than video.

Wally: Yeah, I think heck of lot less bandwidth and so amazing how much bandwidth that you take anyways.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, absolutely.

Wally: Yeah.

Benjamin Higginbotham: So, hey, all right thank you so much Wally, it is a great tutorial, he is a great guy we will make sure to put that into the show notes and get that going on the website. Jeremy?

Jeremy Elfering: Yes.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Next topic up to you.

Jeremy Elfering: Next topic is up to me, well I have got to bring up the Microsoft news from today.

Benjamin Higginbotham: The Me Too! – Me Too!?

Jeremy Elfering: The Me Too! – Me Too! Obviously a lot of people know about the Apple deal with EMI where they are going selling non-DRM music not just...

Benjamin Higginbotham: Not just non-DRM music…

Jeremy Elfering: How far they?

Benjamin Higginbotham: A twice the bit rate of regular music.

Jeremy Elfering: Exactly, which is huge and it something that I will probably be purchasing soon, but of course Microsoft had to announce today that they did not say this, they hinted that they may be close to reach in a similar deal with EMI.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah?

Jeremy Elfering: It is the classic, Apple announces something, we did it too, we did it too, we did it too, later.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, see Microsoft they lost a lot of ground to Apple in the audio/video arena, because of iTunes and because of the iPod. Microsoft had the dominant codec the video codec for many years, the windows media codec and streaming media and what not and they have lost a very large percentage of that market share to flash on the video side and AAC on the audio side. Now, here is the interesting that happens with this EMI deal and specifically to Microsoft is that now that Apple is opening this up, many different vendors who were doing WMA audio before, they are going start looking at AAC and say “well, let’s just do that”.

Jeremy Elfering: Exactly and I think this is really a something from Microsoft saying we don’t need we can’t let our format being inconsequential, they need it to be…

Benjamin Higginbotham: They have already lost, it is already inconsequential, I think.

Jeremy Elfering: Unfortunately, they haven’t realized they have lost.

Benjamin Higginbotham: You are right. Well, here is what happens lot of people are saying “well, the ecosystem of iPod, iTunes is going to be broken because of this” and I think, I wish I had numbers to back this up, but I am pretty sure that the money in the system for Apple in that ecosystem is in iPod hardware sales. Not in audio sales off of the iTunes music store, sure they make a little bit of money, but I bet they make most of their money…

Jeremy Elfering: I am sure they make most of money in that.

Benjamin Higginbotham: So, here is what happens, now I can buy my song from anywhere. I can buy from Rapsody, I can buy it from whoever would decide to support this format, the open AAC format and now they, it is still has to go into iTunes to get it on to your iPod, so I am still using that. I can buy it anywhere, but I am still using my iPod. So, now I have opened my iPod up and I can use music from anything, anywhere.

Jeremy Elfering: Exactly.

Benjamin Higginbotham: As long as it is open like Apple. So, I don’t think they have destroyed their ecosystem, I think what they have done is actually enhanced it, because they are pushing the rest of the industry into this non-DRM arena and when that happens the iPod is the dominant player in the market. All they are going to do is force more iPods sales.

Jeremy Elfering: Exactly and you get in and see websites that’s like Rapsody and such like that, that’s on music that they are going to say compatible with iPod.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, absolutely that’s going to and, how awesome is that going to be, free marketing for Apple and more sales for Apple. I see no down side for Apple on this.

Jeremy Elfering: I see zero downside.

Benjamin Higginbotham: It is great for the consumer, it is great for Apple, the only people who stand to lose anything Microsoft. Their plays for sure, which never actually plays for sure.

Jeremy Elfering: That’s for sure, I believe the plays for shift.

Benjamin Higginbotham: We will mark this one as explicit now.

Jeremy Elfering: Exactly.

Benjamin Higginbotham: I think it is lost at this point. I don’t get at anything.

Jeremy Elfering: They has, they are not even using it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Really? Yeah they are.

Jeremy Elfering:Are they using it for Zune?

Benjamin Higginbotham: I don’t actually own a Zune, so I don’t know.

Jeremy Elfering: I don’t think they are. I think they marketed it and then they abandoned it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: No, that doesn’t seem right.

Jeremy Elfering: I don’t know if they did for the Zune?

Benjamin Higginbotham: All right.

Jeremy Elfering: I could be wrong in this, but…

Benjamin Higginbotham: Moving right along, there is a new website called refurbradio.com and they are actually using the Technology Evangelist podcasting studios to create their podcast. It is very cool and we are excited to have them in our studios, we offer the studio for free to them, as we would with anyone in the Minneapolis, St Paul area, well I mean you could use it for free if you were from Florida. We really don’t care what’s your location is, but you probably not going want to drive up to Minneapolis.

Jeremy Elfering: It is little about the commute

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Benjamin Higginbotham: Well it is like a three day straight driving coming from Naples, I think.

Jeremy Elfering: It can probably done in two, but it would be rough.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Without getting pulled over?

Jeremy Elfering: Well I think you have to have multiple drivers and you can't pee.

Benjamin Higginbotham: So, now the studio is open to anyone who would like to use it, in the area. Now, we do select who is allowed to use it, we don’t want just Joe Shmoe podcaster coming in here, make in their podcast about their puppies and taking a good chunk of our time. We are looking for serious podcasters, serious shows and we do offer this studio and services at this time for free now when I say services, that’s just kind of helping hand and helping you getting it going, you do have to do your own editing about the podcast, we are not going to help you there, we will give you some advice, if you would like it, but the idea is that we have got, two KSM 44, and $1,500 microphones, we have got an M-audio project mixer, we got a copy of logic express, we have got about a Bagilian MacBook Pro sitting in this room, it is sound insulated, we have got a couple of thousand dollars with the foam up in the wall. So, it is not a radio station, by any means.

Jeremy Elfering: That’s a whole heck of lot better than your basement.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, it is better than my basement, it is better than the old microphones we were using and this is better than most podcasting studios, we purposely over purchased and got really great gear, so we could do this extremely well. Now, I am still adding to this studio, I am trying to find actually here is another point for anyone in our audience, I would love to hear another audio evangelist, someone, because audio, I am a video guy and video is 80% audio, so I hack my way through it, but I would love to have an audio evangelist, tell me how to get a good compressor limiter, the problem is right now on the board, I am constantly riding the gain. So, I need a some sort of compressor limiter in the mix that will add very little late see in delay, because we need, we work here as sort of live without that weird hearing yourself after yourself thing. So, a compressor limiter so I don’t have to ride the gain, so we can push our audios close to zero DB as possible to make, basically the goal is to make the talk radio, talking voice just about as loud as music on your iPod.

Jeremy Elfering: Exactly.

Benjamin Higginbotham: And I realize that there is much more variance in the talking voice and we are not going to have nearly the much gear as a production facility that’s going to try to push their music to zero DB, but if we can get at least close, that would be great absolutely. So, if any audio evangelists out there have any ideas or have suggestions for something for me to purchase, I like to be able to do it for a total of four microphones. Right now we have two, I am planning on having a third KSM 44, sometime soon and then just having an extra just in case.

Jeremy Elfering: Well, it is always nice to be over add that extra person too.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, now the computers they should be pretty much setup, I don’t think I need a compressor limiter for those, I really don’t have to right again on those too much, as basically as I moving further away from the microphone and then a lot closer and then I over load the microphone, stuff like that.

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah, we appreciate if it is doesn’t like blur out of our speakers when we are listening to.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, absolutely, so suggestion there, next topic, Jeremy?

Jeremy Elfering: Next topic well, the Vonage the ruling that was just made by the judge.

Benjamin Higginbotham: No new customers.

Jeremy Elfering: No new customers.

Benjamin Higginbotham: They are so screwed?

Jeremy Elfering: They are done. They are so done, it is the nail on the coffin. I mean they were in the bad shape before, with having to switch technology…

Benjamin Higginbotham: I was an early subscriber to Vonage.

Jeremy Elfering: I was too.

Benjamin Higginbotham: How early were you? I had the original Cisco ATA box, before they move, you have that one too?

Jeremy Elfering: Yes, I did.

Benjamin Higginbotham: With the big blinky button on the top right.

Jeremy Elfering: Yes, because I believe, if I remember right, I got it right after you did, I think I was like, I was about 20 numbers behind you, as Vonages number.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yes, you were. Yup.

Jeremy Elfering: So, it was a very innovative system, I loved it and I had very little problems with it, but then I could have make it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: I don’t think so, the problem is I have got a cell phone,

Jeremy Elfering: That’s exactly it…

Benjamin Higginbotham: Why do I need my Vonage account because it really is not a replacement for your pods landline, because it doesn’t do 911 properly. It inherently instable – unstable that it just doesn’t work as well as a traditional phone line does and it is completely reliant on your bandwidth and people like us we are slinging highdef files back and forth, for editing review, for Technology Evangelist doing it not.

Jeremy Elfering: My bandwidth is precious.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, absolutely specially upload bandwidth.

Jeremy Elfering: Exactly.

Benjamin Higginbotham: The cable company wants to give you like no upload bandwidth and so anything, any how, it just never worked right for me.

Jeremy Elfering: That was the little problem I had is when I had problems with my bandwidth, how do I call the person.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Exactly.

Jeremy Elfering: I did of my cell phone everytime.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Well they do have a support website that you can go to, but if you have problems with your bandwidth, I suppose you can get the support website.

Jeremy Elfering: Now, I could. So, if I had problems with my bandwidth, I couldn’t call customer service or anything like that, it was I was ended upon the cell phone. That I don’t even think I have anything, my family doesn’t have anything, but their cell phones right now.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Neither do I and actually speaking of that I just signed up for Grand Central, the Grand Central phone numbers, the idea is that I do a lot of cell phone testing, it pisses everyone off, because I am always like OK for the next two weeks everyone you need to call me at this number.

Jeremy Elfering: No, it doesn’t pisses off that you change phone numbers, is that you don’t tell us when you change back.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yes, because I forget. It is what it is, deal with it. So, everyone is calling and SMSing that other number and it is not working, so what I would do is I would set up forwards on my other phone to forward to whatever new phone I have got that way don’t miss any phone calls, but sometimes I forward doesn’t quite work right or it drops the call and by sometimes I would say to 40% of the time. A very large percentage of time, so I have people just dial the number directly to solve this I have signed up for Grand Central and I actually think this is a great idea, it is a universal phone number that follows you for life, I loved this, a universal phone number that follows you for life, let me say that one more time, a universal phone number that follows you for life.

Jeremy Elfering: That’s very interesting.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yes.

Jeremy Elfering: Considering I have changed cell phones four or five times, so it is…

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, you can migrate your number between cell phone and cell phone, but what about your work numbers, what about your whatever number, what if I want to setup rules based on who calls me and I want to have different readings, that is exactly what Grand Central let you do. It is awesome, so I have got this one universal phone number and I can import my address book from Mac OS X from outlook, it was very-very simple process. Easier than importing address book in the Gmail actually. It just comes right in and off you go. You import your address book and then you can setup specific greetings and rules on a per-person or per-group basis, so if I put a bunch of people in my workgroup then I can have a specific voice mail greeting for them or specific ringtone or however you want to work that, like people in my family, different rules and my workgroup I can say OK well 8:00pm I don’t want some people to call me. I can also setup find me follow me, so call blast, I setup all my different phone numbers inside of Grand Central my actual phone number of my cell phone, my DID number at work, may be my skype number, my Gizmo number and then what happens is when someone calls my Grand Central number, it can blast all of my phones at the same time. Now, this is why this is cool. So, I have got my Grand Central phone number which is by the way posting on my Technology Evangelist profile, I got that number and I change cell phones. Now is that all I have to do is log into Grand Central change out that cell phone number to my new number and no one has to know that I have a new cell phone that I am having.

Jeremy Elfering: Exactly.

Benjamin Higginbotham: For example, I don’t know may be an iPhone, which is on a totally different network and I am just going to test it, so I don’t want to buy or migrate my number over for testing, I just want to test and see if I like it.

Jeremy Elfering: Exactly, now here is a question, how much does it cost?

Benjamin Higginbotham: You really want to know, it is actually incredibly expensive, it is free, totally free OK.

Jeremy Elfering: That’s a big thing. I have other services that done similar things.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Webly.

Jeremy Elfering: Exactly.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, I love Webly.

Jeremy Elfering: It was very cool service, very nice, but it was pricy and it was like why do I need to spend 20 bucks or more a month on another phone number.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Exactly and this is, so they are right now in beta testing, it is free. I think it is free until end of the April if I am knowing correctly. When they lead beta testing they will continue to have free services for core features, so you will still get your free phone number, you will still get free, I think it is incoming minutes, but not outgoing minutes and then you will get all the voice mail stuff and everything else. If you want the premium service which I am absolutely going to signup for, so you get everything you get more phones that you can add into the account what not, I think it is 15 bucks a month. I don’t know that if I know that for sure, we got to wait until…

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah, we will see what it does…

Benjamin Higginbotham: But, 15 bucks a month and you get call blast, you get online voice mail, centralized online voice mail that can also SMS you, you can listen to it on any phone that’s in the network or you can listen to it online and actually you could have someone to call you and you can save that and actually stream that and embed that directly in your website. So, someone leaves me an interesting voice mail, I can make entire blog post out of it. It is awesome, if you can’t tell I am excited and I am thrilled up, the big problem I have is, I have been talking about been able to switch on my cell phones no SMS.

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah, that’s huge, because SMS’s, how may SMS that messages do you use a day.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Thousands, I have an unlimited account for reason. Now, my twitter goes on there. So, grandcentral.com and that’s where you are going to be able to get that and once again I will put that in the show note, for all who well to go to show notes and let me remind everyone again, the enhanced podcast. Listen to the enhanced podcast in iTunes, if you got an iPod or if you are in iTunes player, listen to the enhance version we put all the URL’s directly into the enhanced version and you get cool little pretty pictures and chapter marks. So, if you are watching in iTunes or if you have it on your iPod can just skip right through chapters.

Jeremy Elfering: So by pretty pictures, we are pretty much not putting any picture of you I think.

Benjamin Higginbotham: That’s basically yes.

Jeremy Elfering: Very good. OK, so I know you are trying out a new program because having for bed, you ever have…

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah you just heard go blig-blig there.

Jeremy Elfering: So you are trying on Google desktop, how is it going so far? Well it is Google desktop for the Mac.

Benjamin Higginbotham: It is, yeah, I use Google desktop for the PC and I ended up on install, just because it suck so many system resources and the index became ginormous and so I figured, I would try it on the Macintosh, I am torn.

Jeremy Elfering: You are torn, first of all how long did it take to install?

Benjamin Higginbotham: Not very long.

Jeremy Elfering: Not very long?

Benjamin Higginbotham: No, how long to take the index or install?

Jeremy Elfering: That’s a good question, because that’s why I referred and I guess it not a major problem as you realize, if you realize getting an neat index every time, it will take a while.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, same thing happen on PC, same things happens on Mac OS X, when you are first and if you are do an upgrade from from 10.3 to 10.4

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah.

Benjamin Higginbotham: you have to wait for Spotlight to do it is indexing. So, if you don’t like that then too bad, it is just part of the process. The install itself is pretty quick, it wasn’t too painful, I just don’t know what the advantage of Google desktop is over spotlight. I can see it on window side where they don’t have anything like spotlight, now Vista is coming closer except that something over left hand corner, instead of the upper right hand corner, exactly yeah.

Jeremy Elfering: That makes the biggest difference, right there.

Benjamin Higginbotham: But, up until Vista they really didn’t have anything like that, so Google desktop is cool, but I am not sure , I don’t know, I need to play with it little bit more and see how I like it, it does seem to be harming my system in any way, system performance doesn’t seem to be down low, so that’s a good thing.

Jeremy Elfering: So, it is working so far and no major problems?

Benjamin Higginbotham: No major problems.

Jeremy Elfering: OK, so I know one of the things I just saw on a review was that it doesn’t install into the application folders, is there a way to change that?

Benjamin Higginbotham: Not that I saw, the installer was basically double click here and boom like everything go.

Jeremy Elfering: OK, because I know installs into the library folder and not into the applications folder.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, but so what?

Jeremy Elfering: It is a complaints of some people, I don’t know.

Benjamin Higginbotham: OK.

Jeremy Elfering: I honestly could careless as long as you can find it and delete it later it is not really a…

Benjamin Higginbotham: Just uninstall it, leave to your trash. I don’t know, like I said is just lackluster , or it is a good start so, hope it will grow a little bit more from here.

Jeremy Elfering: And may be it is an opening step for Google to start adding things, where Mac OS X instead of only being on PC side.

Benjamin Higginbotham: On the board of directors, on Apple board of directors, who is, what’s his name from Google Map, that’s probably why we are starting see a little bit of Google-Apple cross over.

Jeremy Elfering: You might feel that a little bit more, yeah.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, speaking of Apple, because we are still on Apple, Quad-Core Max got finally released, so Octo cores in one machine. Yes, as is again for those who don’t know, Jeremy is our High Definition video editor, he also runs a copy of a Episode Pro, that tells all the exports of our video and that takes a very long time. 1080p takes how long?

Jeremy Elfering: Depends on how long it is, I think one minute file usually a one minute video take about an hour.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, so imagine for a moment, a 10 minute video…not good.

Jeremy Elfering: I have some down time on my computers occasionally.

Benjamin Higginbotham: What we did to correct for that is we just have tons of computers, so you can move from system to system.

Jeremy Elfering: I literally have three computers at my desk at all times.

Benjamin Higginbotham: But, they are all MacBook Pro’s none of them are G5.

Jeremy Elfering: Not that.

Benjamin Higginbotham: you are right, none of them are G5, none of them are Mac Pro’s, so this would be a really cool machine for that. Octo processors as long as the software can take advantage of all the cores. Wouldn’t that be great? OK that was disturbing, never do that again.

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah, but it will be so cool, so when do I get to buy one.

Benjamin Higginbotham: well you just sold your car didn’t you. That’s a good starting point.

Jeremy Elfering: Unfortunately that didn’t quite make up the money for that. I sold my old car and not my good car.

Benjamin Higginbotham: I thought you sold your good car, you can probably get one.

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah, but then I wouldn’t have anything to drive.

Benjamin Higginbotham: All right imagine this for a moment. An Apple Quad-Core or dual, so Octo-Core, right?

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Dual 30 inch displays. Final Cut Pro and then the new Adobe Premier from Macintosh, I am hearing great things, I know as a video editor, I am doing the same thing, I am cringing, because Final Cut, all right for those who don’t do video editing Adobe Premier up until Adobe Premier Pro was just garbage. It was absolute garbage.

Jeremy Elfering: I used to after that actually train on this system.

Benjamin Higginbotham: So, did I, with the Pinnacle real time system, that was been even, it was awful.

Jeremy Elfering: It was horrid and there wasn’t really, unfortunately this were their claim to fame is, wow over 50% of video editors use our software,

Benjamin Higginbotham: That’s because it was bundled with every single core.

Jeremy Elfering: It was fun over everything and it wasn’t very good.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Then Final Cut Pro came out and it was actually really good. It didn’t have group workflow anything like that is designed more for the independent producer, but it was really good and it was stable unlike premier. That was it, it was stable, as really what it was.

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah, that was huge.

Benjamin Higginbotham: So, you had Adobe Premier the price point of Adobe Premier the stability of Avid, it was awesome.

Jeremy Elfering: It was the prefect solution.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Then Adobe Premier Pro came out for windows XP only, and I used a little bit and it seems to be a lot better, but I had already migrated to Final Cut Pro as I didn’t see any reason to migrate back. Now, apparently they are bringing in back to the Macintosh platform on the CSC Bundle and it sounds like it is going to be really cool.

Jeremy Elfering: It would be interesting to try it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Absolutely.

Jeremy Elfering: At the very least.

Benjamin Higginbotham: My big question is codec support, that’s been a big gripe of mine. Even in the Premier Pro, Final Cut Pro comes with a bunch of Pro codecs, so if I want to run my HVX 200 High Definition camera, do a P2 import right in Final Cut Pro, I don’t install anything extra, it is all right there. If I want to use my HD cam, it is all right there, if I want to use HDD 5, it is all right there, I want to do uncompressed 10 bit 444, I think I can do that 444, 422?

Jeremy Elfering: 422, 444 is tough.

Benjamin Higginbotham: OK, well it is tough, but I think I can do that, well that’s right that takes the Black Magic codec, and that doesn’t come with Final Cut Pro, but surely simple install comes with the boards, so. That’s the nice things about Final Cut, I don’t know what Adobe Premier is going to do, but if they support those codec’s and have group workflow solutions, worth looking at.

Jeremy Elfering: It is worth looking at.

Benjamin Higginbotham: And if it takes advantage of all 8 cores on that octo processor thing,

Jeremy Elfering: Then it is huge.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, then really-really cool.

Jeremy Elfering: But we know Final Cut will do it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: No we don’t, how many cores will Final Cut take advantage of?

Jeremy Elfering: We know it will eventually do it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: That’s eventually, does Pro AP's take a long time to update around.

Jeremy Elfering: Yes, but usually that is not where many problems with them.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Usually.

Jeremy Elfering: Usually, occasionally some, but for the most part they work with hardware so, it will be an interesting, we will wait and see.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Your topic.

Jeremy Elfering: My topic, I don’t know other topics.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Now, one last topic and then I will close up with our…

Jeremy Elfering: I will bring up a topic, I recently as you mentioned that recently, so my car,

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, last night, you came with lot of cash.

Jeremy Elfering: Right, it was really cool.

Benjamin Higginbotham: It was really cool.

Jeremy Elfering: But, anyway, the way I sold my car is actually kind of cool. I didn’t do ad, all I did was CarSoup. I had three hundred enquiries within two weeks.

Benjamin Higginbotham: May be I should sell Denty

Jeremy Elfering: May be should sell Denty.

Benjamin Higginbotham: I don’t think anyone is going to buy Denty?

Jeremy Elfering: I didn’t think it would go by my crappy Saturn

Benjamin Higginbotham: Double Denty though.

Jeremy Elfering: Yeah, did you see the Saturn before I let away.

Benjamin Higginbotham: It didn’t look as bad as double Denty . So, for those who don’t know we have got a couple of nice cars on our garage, just one beater car that everyone runs into, I had a snow plow run into it, I had someone who ran me on this car, I had another person run into it, the best part is this car has been beaten up and most of the time it is beaten up, it is been unmanned in part. You just cannot see these cars, like the perfect color.

Jeremy Elfering: The army really should ….

Benjamin Higginbotham: I was telling same thing James Bond should use this color.

Jeremy Elfering: Oh, Stellar technology.

Benjamin Higginbotham: It’s amazing! How many times people who run in to this car and I just never get it fixed. So I have got these ginormous dents in the door, and on the bumper. Actually, the bumper is dented in so much, that when you close the trunk, you have to push in and down in order to get the latch.

Jeremy Elfering: It’s very funny. But it was very simple, and easy to use, and then it’s nice that some sites are going to that easy simple to use at work.

Benjamin Higginbotham: How much do they cost?

Jeremy Elfering: 25 bucks. Until it sold

Benjamin Higginbotham: Oh! So just 25 bucks, and then you just keep your list, and can you edit it.

Jeremy Elfering: Yes.

Benjamin Higginbotham: How many cities is CarSoup available in. It’s a city thing.

Jeremy Elfering: No, it’s a state-by-state thing.

Benjamin Higginbotham: How many states is it available?

Jeremy Elfering: I will find out. I will look it up as we cplay our, I am looking up something.

Benjamin Higginbotham: We don’t have any theme music here.

Jeremy Elfering: We do need theme music.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Absolutely. I am going to close out the show with one topic, and that is autoverdict.com. Friend of ours runs that website. They are going to the New York auto show. You are sure going to be excited about the infinity G37 I believe it is, and he has been looking at that, and talking about that every waking moment of every day. And, so will be able to get his feedback and information directly from the show floor, tonight sometime around 5 pm central time. We are going to do a on demand TalkShoe podcast, whenever he calls in, and just make that happens. So hopefully some people would just hang out while posting notice on the technology evangelist website as soon as it goes live. For those of you who are on Twitter, if you go to Twitter.com/bhigginbotham, and I will put that in the show notes as well. Sign up and I will send out a tweet indicating that we are doing live show. Join us and you will be able to hear the latest and greatest happenings from the New York auto show. He does have press passes. So he is going to get all the really cool neat information upfront. Jeremy did you get that state-by-state.

Jeremy Elfering: The answer is 26 states.

Benjamin Higginbotham: That’s great.

Jeremy Elfering: But, anyway, all right. Do you have anything else?

Benjamin Higginbotham: No, I think that’s it.

Jeremy Elfering: Good.

Benjamin Higginbotham: You will notice the format today, was a little bit longer, it will run about 30 minutes as supposed to 10-15 minutes.

Jeremy Elfering: Longer is better.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Two points. We actually had users request and say your podcaster little bit shorter than I like, would like you to go in to little bit more information, I figured freestyle Friday was a great time to test that out. See if that had actually worked. We tested a lot of stuff today. We tested out the SIP client with Wally, we tested out the new longer show format, and we are testing on a couple of new things in the recording side. Hopefully this all worked out. If you like to send us your comment, please feel free to do so using the technologyevangelist website at www.technologyevangelist.com. I would like to thank everyone for joining us on TalkShoe live. Remember we will be doing TalkShoe everyday next week, and that will be at 11 o’ Clock central time, 9 pacific, Noon eastern. All right.

Jeremy Elfering: Yes. Very good.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Thank you guys, and you have a great day!