Technology Evangelist podcast for Tuesday June 12^th 2007. Recorded live with audience participation.

Benjamin Higginbotham: My name is Benjamin Higginbotham and with me is Cariann Higginbotham and lets.

Cariann Higginbotham: We’ve lots of music.

Benjamin Higginbotham: I like that music, you don’t want the music.

Cariann Higginbotham: I get to, no I love it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Something is great, hey watch this.

Cariann Higginbotham: Ok, cool.

Benjamin Higginbotham: and it starts to fade out. I am not going to add that how and we’ve leave that in and everyone is listening to the podacast as of the fact is going to be like Wow, what are you talking about because now its all fixed, that’s the power.

Cariann Higginbotham: You always say that we are going to edit that out, we are going to cut that out, we are going to edit this

Benjamin Higginbotham: No I said we are not going to edit that out.

Cariann Higginbotham: Ok.

Benjamin Higginbotham: See because I’ve already changed the level, it’s already fixed enough in the final, so when it gets bounced, no one is going to know what we are talking about. So being that WWDC was yesterday which is apple’s World Wide Developers Conference. Do you think I am going to be physically capable of talking about anything other than Apple Tv. Do you think it can be done?

Cariann Higginbotham: It can be done, you don’t want it to be done.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Not at all.

Cariann Higginbotham: It was two different things.

Benjamin Higginbotham: They are saying no in the chat room. So we’d like to welcome everyone who is joining us live on Ustream and remind everyone who is listening to the podcast as the fact that we actually do this live every night at 10:00 o’clock Eastern, 9:00 Central, 7:00 Pacific. Lets get into it because some pretty exciting stuff at WWDC know hardware announcements and then one announcement that kind of and depends on half the time I love it, half the time I hate it, I will talk about that in a moment, one thing that was interesting and they actually did this at the variance. So we will start with this one because I am going reversely, is for a free they are making it and available for windows and you can download a beta of that right now at Apple.com/safari, they are also making the beta available for Mac OS 10, what’s interesting about this is now they are trying to really push themselves into the browser market, it was basically been after this point, your two real big options has been internet explorer and firefox with firefox gaining substantial momentum but now this kind of throws a big kink in the whole thing because Apple.

Cariann Higginbotham: Kink what you say that exactly?

Benjamin Higginbotham: Apple is got a marketing pushing power and they got this momentum of being younger, hipper kid on the block I guess and so I don’t know if this is going to help firefox or hurt firefox, but I would assume that the internet explorer users are using internet explorer because they believe it a better browser because really who would think that I use a better browser, I assume that using that because, well our income on.

Cariann Higginbotham: I know, I am just saying, go ahead.

Benjamin Higginbotham: I assume that using it because they don’t know there is an alternative, the business locks some into internet explorer or they just don’t want to deal with it, which means that where is the market share for safari going to come from, may be a little bit from IE, is going to take away from that, that is going to away from firefox, or is it going to just sit there and never grow.

Cariann Higginbotham: Well what’s it matter really, honestly I don’t think is that big of a deal, sellers has competition is always a good thing and.

Benjamin Higginbotham: You know absolutely, that absolutely correct.

Cariann Higginbotham: So you remind us what just throw it out there just to have your name in the box, name thing or name in the hat before your name in the hat, you are something in the ring anyhow, its just like kind of, just to kind of get it out there and I think its another one of those sort of quasi Apple sort of things. It’s one of those transitional sort of periods, so when somebody’s on a windows box and they have always sort of being curious but really don’t want to ask these stupid questions or have asked all of the friends who may or may not be Apple users, this its kind of a way as sort of stick your toe into the water, feel the temperature figure out if you like it or not without really risking everything.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Absolutely but is in what the Itunes is for, doesn’t Itunes do the same thing and actually.

Cariann Higginbotham: That’s what I am saying another thing.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Here is what’s ironic is that the KHTML browser engine which is a web kit or Safari whichever name you want to call it is built in the Itunes and it’s been available for windows for a very long time. So this is just also doing there is just putting a nice a little GUI around it now, I am doing this nice hand movement that you can’t see in the podcast, but they are putting the gooey around it and just we repack it each time and I am trying to figure out what the purpose of that is other than possibly the iPhone and I think was Steve that brought it up and this is been announcement that has little bit which you wash on, at this time.

Cariann Higginbotham: Steve we mean, Steve in that chat room.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Steve in the chat room, not Mr.Jobs absolutely what happened was they didn’t announce an SDK for the Iphone a software developer kit, which is kind of hoping for so that developers could write actually software for but they did say that the software for the Iphone will be web 2.0 Ajax applications and they run great on the Iphone, the first half cool, I think its very cool that you’ve got the smart phone I can run web 2.0 applications, that’s awesome, that’s really hardcore awesome, at the same time is not cool that there is no API, so I can’t actually develop a real hardcore applications for the Iphone. I am stuck with whatever I can develop in a web browser I can’t actually do into integrated address book type thing and you can do some integration and have Iphone will actually understand phone numbers and stuff like that but its not the same as an actual integrated application, as Amzer brings up in the Ustream chat room there is no GPS, so is to size that as really cool that I can do it and really cool that I can do that on a web browser and yeah that’s a great tool for people and that’s may be why they came with Safari for windows because you need an application development environment and you go and want that have on the windows this is much after that on Mac OS X, is into running Safari on the Iphone what better application development environment then the same browser is running on the Iphone, that’s its running web kit I think its strip down a little, so I don’t think they call it Safari. I don’t remember. So I think that’s probably why they did that, I think an interesting side effect of all this, is that Safari’s market share just because of the Iphone is going to skyrocket and Safari is relevance in the industry and is going to go really high because everyone who has an Iphone now has Safari, anytime they are browsing for website and the blazingly fast edge connection and sarcasm

Cariann Higginbotham: That’s a different topic all together go on.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Grumble, so anytime they do that they are using Safari and I think we are going to see a, because we’ve a real browser now, because we’ve something like just dozen hardcore suck like the internet explorer and windows mobile where the palm blazer browser which are just atrocious browsers because of that I think we are going to see a lot more surfing and we are going to Safari’s market share jump up, Steve is signed, Steve already signed, Steve from Ustream I then after figure out some way to clarify that and there are other issues with the Iphone that Amzer bringing up the what’s the battery life like, we don’t know, Apple’s not normally done the removable battery that are report that say you can do it for bazillion hours and other reports say that works for 2 minutes.

Cariann Higginbotham: And I believe both although has.

Benjamin Higginbotham: We, both are probably true.

Cariann Higginbotham: Just depends of what you doing.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Absolutely and that’s absolutely true, what radio do you have on and how much data you are moving, how long you been talking on the device, what’s the state of the battery, who knows what the actual battery life is going to do. I think is going to be cool, I am excited for the Iphone I actually was not excited when it was first announced and now it is coming on, so they talked a little bit about the phone at WWDC and then they also talked about Leopard the next generation operating system from Apple, OMGLOL I don’t know why put their LOL in there.

Cariann Higginbotham: Unlike

Benjamin Higginbotham: I am so exited can’t you tell from my slightly lethargic voice, I am actually, I don’t know I am a little lethargic when I, I am really excited actually about 10.5 because it’s going to be cool.

Cariann Higginbotham: You know what I am excited for Ben.

Benjamin Higginbotham: What?

Cariann Higginbotham: I am excited for colonization of Mars.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Oh I am excited for that.

Cariann Higginbotham: Why you know why?

Benjamin Higginbotham: Why?

Cariann Higginbotham: It’s going to be cool.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Lot of my PC friends are really excited about Vista and it came out and there is in that like who is in the best thing ever named like see at before 2 years ago and Mac OS X data, but you know they are all excited, they have couple cool little effects going on. Apple’s got this really awesome new Dock there is, have you seen the Dock, oh it’s so cool.

Cariann Higginbotham: I was little busy in the kitchen today.

Benjamin Higginbotham: In the kitchen?

Cariann Higginbotham: I was, I actually was in the kitchen, I am a receptionist here.

Benjamin Higginbotham: I don’t believe you.

Cariann Higginbotham: Shut up, I am a receptionist and so I answer phones and I was told that I could be in the kitchen doing something which I am helping out our in house cook with something mostly because its my mother, but I am helping her doing something in the kitchen, chopping stupid stuff like that, as long as I answer the phone, so I forward phone to the kitchen so I really, I’ve honestly swear to god have been in the kitchen all day long, I’ve not even looked WWDC which I totally apologize, so I am just going to have to try and get things out of view, so no I’ve not seen the Dock.

Benjamin Higginbotham: The new Dock is awesome because it has Amzer says in the chat room right now Icandy equals no productivity and that’s absolutely true in the Microsoft’s sense because they just throw things in for the sake of throwing them in, we just have things windows is whooshing move for absolutely no reason, they don’t actually give you context as where the windows are, the nice thing about Mac OS X is that when a window moves or animates it doing that so I guess you contextual clues to what’s its going to do or where its going, so you can remember that in the future, the Vista effects seems to be just for the sake of doing a fax and I don’t like that, I don’t like the way Vista does anything and like starting the lower left-hand corner that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, but we will get on with that, the nice thing about the new Dock is that it actually, it condenses everything into one section and got the 3D view now, so is tit back in 3D and it’s smaller because of that so it takes up less space, A. that gives me more screen real to say, there is no B, but I figure out to do my A, given more screen realistic like that.

Cariann Higginbotham: "First of all..."

Benjamin Higginbotham: Exactly, the second thing I let you do is now you can, you already have folders support directly in the Dock where you can click on the folder and you can have anything in the folder shows as a list, but what we will do is actually have all those objects really cookie piled out into like a grid formation or into a nice little cooler line formation and so if you got lot of things in your Dock, its really now very-very fast to get what you are doing, where as before it took probably 2 seconds to get there because you have to click and hold and then move up where as now it was slides out its all available you pick which you want slides all right back in and you can actually see it is an organizes self out on the screen which is really- really nice, that’s cool they also have stacks, I believe they called it stacks, its gone through many different name iterations and I apologize I don’t remember which one they actually ended up with but I believe its stacks. And that is the ability to have basically a how would you guys describe in the Ustream room, is that like I would call like smart folder/just kind of bunch as stuff folder, its combination of smart folder which you’ve already got in Mac OS X and the ability to randomly drag other stuff in there as well, that’s how I describe that.

Cariann Higginbotham: Ok yeah its says on the Apple website its also says "stacked in your favor, take a look at your desktop, is it cluttered with files you download or save there temporarily, well you are not alone. Everybody does it, time to clean house with stacks a brand new feature in Leopard."

Benjamin Higginbotham: "Now how much would you pay?"

Cariann Higginbotham: Exactly, "create stacks from anything you want to access quickly from one place, a handful of documents, a group of applications and entire folder, files you download in Safari or say from an email automatically directed it to stack in the doc and when the download is complete the stack signals that a new item has arrived.

When you want to see the files in the stack all you have to do is click, they spring open and they stack as it where, it looks like a letter they had just right on top of each other, an elegant arch for a few items or at four in", good lord.

Benjamin Higginbotham: You can do it.

Cariann Higginbotham: Add a glance grid.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Do you have a picture of that, can you see how that can be very powerful where you can just click on it and really clicks the slides out, you can pick what you want, it slides back in. You can see where everything goes.

Cariann Higginbotham: Yeah, I have seen that, that is kind of cool. That’s really why they arched it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Absolutely, yeah I am not sure why they did that either. Why it can’t just go? Well you know why they probably did is that, you don’t take up, because if you go straight up and you got a long list it might get weird, so I think they started arching it four terms, I don’t know.

Cariann Higginbotham: I hope so, because it is look kind of funny.

Benjamin Higginbotham: It looks funny, doesn’t it?

Cariann Higginbotham: Looks like it’s toppling over.

Benjamin Higginbotham: May be that’s it, may be that’s why they did it, because it is like a stack of paper and…

Cariann Higginbotham: Like “ha…ha, this is going to be funny”, it will like the Leaning Tower of Pisa.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Absolutely, a little bit, yes, but that’s a cool feature and I have that exact issue, because I downloaded just a ton of stuff and then all gets dropped to my desktop by default and then my desktop starts clattering up and that’s really annoying. So, if I can just throw it into little stacks folder and go like “plig-plig, oh you it here” and then but the reason I download to my desktop is because then it is quickly accessible to me, because I want to be able to get to it very quickly, but if I got into my stack folder…

Cariann Higginbotham: Obviously you need it right there, otherwise…

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yes, but the stack is right there in the doc the whole time.

Cariann Higginbotham: Right, now I understand.

Benjamin Higginbotham: And does this little bouncy bluppy thing that says “I have got new item in here”, you just click on that boom, click on it again and off you go, actually may even be faster than trying to get your desktop, because when you try to get to your desktop you got move your app all the way or hide your app, whereas this is always going to be there depending upon your doc preferences. So, I thought that was really cool. I was excited about that.

Oh, new finder, I want to sign the “I am the mighty finder” song “I can find any thing”.

Cariann Higginbotham: OK you are done now. Good you sung it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: New finder in Mac OS X, which is sorely overdue, the new finder is a lot more like iTunes, are you looking at the Google find page, did you see the like the album art version, the cover art version of the finder. Right now in the finder we have got list view, column view and Icon view and now they have had this cover art flow view and it is very powerful, it is very cool, because what you can do now, it is just like an iTunes where you can scroll through all the different things, but now you are scrolling through programs and files, but you can also go into the files right there. So, for example, I have got a PDF document, I scroll the PDF, I get a snapshot of first page of the PDF, I can then hit the spacebar, it will open it up in a really quick preview, so it is not opening in application it is just sliding forward and showing you a larger version and I can scroll through the pages of that PDF without having to open any application, just to see if that’s the file I am looking for then I can get back out of there, I can do the same thing with movies, documents, whatever you have got. So, it is a really great way to quickly preview what you have got in a folder or on your hard drive without actually having to wait 2.7 hours for the copy of Photoshop to launch.

Cariann Higginbotham: Wow, that actually is really cool, there is a demo on the Apple website, obviously if you go to apple.com, leopard is the premier thing on there, you can click right on that and then it brings you to a page that kind of exemplifies all the different things you are talking about and with finder you can watch the demo, which is what I am watching it, it looks pretty gushed on cool.

Benjamin Higginbotham: It is and then the other nice thing, this is so…

Cariann Higginbotham: I like in the search in it, little search bars…

Benjamin Higginbotham: I don’t remember that, describe that to me.

Cariann Higginbotham: It is just like iTunes, when you are in iTunes and you are like “hey, I know I have got a Z-Z top song in here somewhere”, then you go up to the bar and start typing Z,Z and it only the things that follows in that category popup. So, same kind of thing here is what it looks like.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, we can do that now, did you know that.

Cariann Higginbotham: Yeah, but not with album art idea.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, absolutely, yeah but that’s a view, that’s just a different view. So, I would assume that…

Cariann Higginbotham: Yeah, I guess I just don’t normally search that way, but for some reason with the visual aspect of it, it makes more sense to it.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Brown Smith in chat room saying that “I use it lot”, I do too, because I forget where I put stuff, way I want to figure out where Apple puts stuff for me. So, I will use the instant search quite often in Mac OS X and actually works extremely well. I haven’t used it whole lot in vista yet, I know that they had improved in vista, I don’t know if anyone in the chat room has used the search feature in vista, I wonder if it is as fast as Mac OS X, if not faster, because Mac OS X is really, really fast. It is virtually instant, not quite instant we have to wait like a beep-beep and then you are done, but it is extremely fast. So, those were the new features in finder, the core features in finder. A new side bar that’s really sleek, I almost forgot, the Apple menu at the top of screen, you see that?

Cariann Higginbotham: Yeah, you can see through.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yes it’s translucent, it is kind of cool translucent color, I am sure how I feel about that when you are … unless I can move objects underneath it, otherwise it feels like it translucent for no good reason, but part of…

Cariann Higginbotham: But, it looks pretty.

Benjamin Higginbotham: It does look pretty and part of what they are trying to do is make it more of a work of art. So, you have got your desktop back on the pod over, you got the image that you really like and these objects are designed to interact with desktop background to really bring a more rich environment to the computer, I think it is what they are going for and having not actually used it yet, it looked like in the demo they have done a really good job of that. So, you see the doc now how it has got that 3D plate, when you move objects behind the doc, they actually reflect in the doc in real time, yeah pretty cool stuff!

Cariann Higginbotham: Tell me about spaces?

Benjamin Higginbotham: Spaces, that’s really, really cool. Linux has had for quite a while, as has Mac OS X through third party applications. You don’t remember for a while there when I would actually scroll between different windows and it I would slide in the cube effect that have a whole new work space to work on or it have a slide across the screen, that’s what spaces is. Spaces are Apple’s version of multiple desktops is what it is. So, I can have four desktops open and I can scroll between them, so one desktop can have just my parallels running in it with windows full screen and I can slide over that, another desktop can have my email web applications, third desktop could have the stuff that I am not supposed to be looking at it work like, deal with cartoons and stuff like that…

Cariann Higginbotham: Oh that kind of stuff you are not suppose to be see how it work.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Be clean, so stuff like that and then in the last desktop can be just random applications like gizmo projects, skype, whatever I wanted to be. So, it extends my desktop and makes it much, much larger and I can scroll between these different desktops and I can see the objects in these different desktops. I could even drag and drop the objects between desktops, which is what I thought it was really cool, just the way it was integrated into Mac OS X, the current multiple desktop solutions for Mac OS X are extremely powerful and very good, but they are not as easy to move objects and you can move objects, you can move applications and widgets between desktops and you can do that today, you just can’t do it nearly as sexy as you can in the Spaces area. So, I was excited for that, that was announced little while ago, but I was all over that, I was well as core animation and core video, the core media layers for Mac OS X, I was excited for those as well, in 10.5, those are much improved. Then for those who don’t know, there is also time machine that is a automatic backup solution where it backs information up to your internal hard drive to an external hard drive for you. I would of course suggest an external hard drive, what’s the point in backing up to your own internal hard drive, but I can see if you delete something accidentally and it just let you go back in time and find applications that you may of files or folders you may have deleted, grab them again and restore them, it is actually done extremely cool UI, that they do it in very like flies through space, that’s pretty cool.

Cariann Higginbotham: I just clicked on something on, I can see you having lots of fun with the iChat.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, they improved iChat quite a bit. Actually I wrote an article about iChat on the Technology Evangelist website, I said this would be coolest and most useless app ever built and it was the coolest app, because from a quality standpoint and a feature standpoint, it is very hard to beat, well I won’t say feature, but definitely from a quality standpoint, from a video quality standpoint, from an ease of use and elegant standpoint iChat, no one can touch them, it is just awesome. The problem is it can’t transverse net very well. So, I can’t use it in this company, so it is got all those great features, it is really cool and elegant and then you go to do a video chat as “error negative 3809, cannot connect to remote site”, like well that’s useless, it has to be in a pretty specific environment where actually it will work, where it has the ability to do net transversal and man it just doesn’t work very well. So, I hope that the new version of iChat, instead of just adding cool new features and there are lot of cool new features. They have already got multiparty video conferencing, that’s drag and drop support with cool glimmer effects and whatnot and it looks great, it looks stunningly great with very low latency, they have got the ability to do full Chroma key where you step out of the picture, the camera takes a snapshot of what’s in the scene, you step back in and it will cut you out and place you in front of different objects. You can use the photo booth effects, where you got the neat little like blurb and cool effects all on top of that. So, you can do some really nifty things and with the part that really got make side is you can do desktop sharing, so you share your desktop and you can share keynote presentations or other objects with video still in the frame, so it slides into two pains and so I can share these other objects and give you presentation, so I can do a remote presentation over the Internet with very low latency, with very high quality to another Macintosh user, keep in mind this does not go Mac-to- PC is not today and as long as you can do net transversal, again I haven’t seen the new version of iChat, but I am certainly hoping that they did a whole lot better with the way they transverse nets, because right now it just does not work. They also need to do a form of firewall like they need to back out the port 18 stuff like that.

Cariann Higginbotham: Right.

Benjamin Higginbotham: As Steve in the Ustream chat room is saying “they call it Cam Twist a light” which is humorous and true Cam Twist does have a lot more effects, but Steve in all fairness Cam Twist does not work with iChat, I don’t believe, yeah, sorry dude, no not at all.

Cariann Higginbotham: Anyhow interesting.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, Guest 900 is saying “you don’t need to setup a big green tower”, although I would suggest some sort of easy to cut out background, you would probably don’t want to complex background like a living room or a dinning room, I think they are assuming that, most people are going to be in office with like a white background, so they are still doing a form of a chroma key out source. They are probably doing a differential key, but I don’t know how they are doing that, but you going to want to keep that as clean as you can, if you could do a green screen, you would probably do a little bit better. So, lot of cool features in Mac OS X, they will show in off in announcing and doing Steve note, his Steveness as it where?

Cariann Higginbotham: Yes.

Benjamin Higginbotham: And I was existed, because I am an Apple zooid, so I have to get existed about this, I am required to under the Apple by laws.

Cariann Higginbotham: All right.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Did you see anything on the, I know you have been surfing as I have been talking about, did you see anything that was ever interested that I didn’t touch on. How about anyone in the Ustream chat room?

Cariann Higginbotham: Tell me about Alex?

Benjamin Higginbotham: Who, which Alex?

Cariann Higginbotham: Alex is the new voice of the Mac.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Have you heard this?

Cariann Higginbotham: I have not.

Benjamin Higginbotham: This is amazingly cool stuff. If you go to Apple’s website you can actually listen to the new speech synthesis voice, built into Mac OS X, I am really excited because in the chat room, when a guest ask a question, I will be able to bring them in, I don’t know if I can do this, let’s see if I can find, I can’t.

Cariann Higginbotham: It is built for brown, which is really interesting. Refreshable brail displace and no tickers, leopard dynamically translates voice over output into standard grade 2 contracted brail, should not exactly show what that means, but I am sure it is very important, just in general that I go from voice to brail, I think it is really intelligent in general.

Benjamin Higginbotham: I can’t do my speech thing right now, but basically what it let you do is, it will let you speak whatever is on the screen, but it will do it in multiple speeds very cleanly and it will actually breath. So it actually has human breath in there, it sounds incredibly natural, let me see if I can call up a demo, hey stall films sometime from you, I will try that.

Cariann Higginbotham: Yeah, OK.

Benjamin Higginbotham: “Dance, dance”

Cariann Higginbotham: It says it is the English voice. Are we talking like England English like or American English?

Benjamin Higginbotham: I don’t remember actually.

Cariann Higginbotham: OK, it says “it delivers the natural annotation”. Even a very fast speaking grads, does that mean you can do with micro machines commercials? That would be really cool.

Benjamin Higginbotham: There are many new features of Voiceover, Mac OS X leopard also includes a new synthesis voice named Alex. Alex is based on in advance new technology developed by Apple and has been optimized for the very fast speaking rates, comment to screen readers, it works in any application that uses Apple speech synthesis including the Voiceover. That’s pretty cool isn’t it?

Cariann Higginbotham: Yeah, that’s crazy. Interesting it says Voiceover which is what this is called also include support for two by languages such as Japanese and Chinese, that’s incredible.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, so I am excited because I am going to start and try to integrate that into the podcasts, so when someone asks me a question in Ustream, I actually use Alex’s voice.

Cariann Higginbotham: Unfortunately everyone now sounds like Alex. Well, Alex…

Benjamin Higginbotham: Now, vista in all fairness vista has a new voice as well, as my understanding that that voice is also very good, but I don’t believe it is as good as Alex, but vista is out, so…

Cariann Higginbotham: Exactly, well that’s really crazy. I never expected, because Apple has been doing voice and reading the page and stuff like that for quite a while…

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, but it never sounds right.

Cariann Higginbotham: No, never the breath thing is just that’s crazy, but just getting the tone and the pattern of human speech, that’s incredible. I am very impressed with that.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Those are the new goings on to WWDC, like I said Ustream what did I forget?

Cariann Higginbotham: Let’s see I got desktop finder.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Oh, Steve. Man, I cannot believe I forgot that, thank you for catching me on that one. .Mac I actually have a family pack of .Mac, because I think .Mac is actually a pretty cool, the i-deck services. You use .Mac’s email from a good junk of your personal email and you use quite a bit of stuff from .Mac, I didn’t use all that stuff. .Mac now supports remote file access, so let’s say I have got my MacPro sitting here at work and I have got files on my MacPro and I now go and I am on a trip actually and I go and I want to access to those files on my laptop, I can then log in through .Mac to my MacPro and grab on to those files and download. So, if I got keynote presentation it gets cool in that.

Cariann Higginbotham: OK.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Let’s say I have got my MacPro at home, I got a home in a work system, I can do the same thing when I am at work and I can go to my home system, the thing with the home system is your IP address will change from time to time and you have to do net transversal and it will do all of that for you. it will track your IP address and it will do the net transversal for you. So, you don’t have to do. Yeah, so they need to build that into iChat, it is what intent to do.

Cariann Higginbotham: Yeah they do.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, it shows up as Steve just said “it shows up in the finder like normal files”. It is like i-desk.

Cariann Higginbotham: Right.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Right, it is just like an extension of your existing computer, but it is all over the Internet and it is searchable. You can search it, just like…

Cariann Higginbotham: It is like sling box for computers.

Benjamin Higginbotham: Yeah, exactly and other services will let you do this already, but this particular implementation, it was just sexy cool. Now, Amzer is saying “vista has desktop remote control”, yes this is a little bit different than terminal services, this is actual file management, being able to get directly to the files without doing some sort of desktop remote control. Mac OS X has desktop remote control built-in to it as well, you can use VNC or Apple remote desktop. This is a little bit different than that. By the way, I should also mention, in the front of the show I cannot believe it took me this long to mention it and it is well its still apple related, but it is somewhat not apple related, you all heard in the beginning that the show is sponsored by LogMeIn. The great thing about LogMeIn is that they now have a Macintosh client and I can’t think of anyone else now, who has a Macintosh client that does the web based remote access systems. So, you can move it and it doesn’t have to transfer as more over the fan jazz, right from your website. So, if you go to logmein.com they have got a new Macintosh beta, it is actually pre-beta, I think it is a preview. So, it is pre-beta, it is not even beta yet.

Cariann Higginbotham: OK.

Benjamin Higginbotham: You can then install that on you Macintosh, you can then go to any web browser on Mac, PC or Linux, open up your web browser go to logmein.com log into your account and then remote control your machine from that box. So, if I have got my machine here, I go to the Apple store, I can then remote control my machine from the Apple store. LogMeIn has many different products, there is the free version, the Pro version and the IT Reach version, I of course using IT Reach version for my day job. I have also got personal Pro accounts and I have got bunch of free accounts, I got to say, I realize our sponsor and so, whatever but it is the most awesome system out there, I highly suggest you check it out, it is very, very cool. The only other program I can really think of that will let you do this Timbuktu  but it doesn’t do a very good job with net transversal and there is Apple mode desktop, which also doesn’t do a very job of net transverse, actually I don’t think it does at all. Can any one confirm that, does Apple remote desktop do net transversal at all or is its strictly public to public IP addresses, I think it is only public to public or same subnet, is I believe how that works. Amzer is asking “if they have free ware version?” Amzer, yes they do, there is a free version of LogMeIn, so if you like to just work on the free version you can most certainly do that. Steve believes I am correct when it comes to the public to public or same subnet on Apple remote desktop, I am 99.99999% sure that’s how that’s going. All right, well this was good WWDC recap along with probably every other podcast in the world, but our spin is always the fun spin and because there is live Ustream audience, that’s what makes it good.

Cariann Higginbotham: That and because, you say “Hey, Cariann what you think of WWDC” and I say “I don’t know, I was in the kitchen all day”.

Benjamin Higginbotham: So, I like to thank everyone for listening. I also again once more say go to LogMeIn and check out their free Macintosh client, check out the free PC version and if you like what you see most certainly pay for the Pro version as well worth it, pay for the IT Reach version also worth. They have got backup programs from Anchi they got bunch of really cool stuff over there. So, make sure to go to logmein.com checkout there for product line. Otherwise we would be talking with you guys again tomorrow, we have dropped the topic show models, we are just doing whatever seems to flow correctly, but we will still do freestyle Friday, we will have any topic on the board. Other than that we will typically be technology relating. You can join us live at 10 o’clock Eastern, 9 o’clock Central, 7 o’clock Pacific. Thank you guys so much for listening.